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By IntimatEvolution

People are incline to believe the world has never been in an uproar!

A lesson to learn...

After being actively involved in the blogging community for quite sometime now, I would like to share a few things with you that I have learned about HubPages over the past year or so. Most of my fans know that I like to write about topics that I'm passionate about. I like to challenge people to look at themselves differently. Coinciding with the thought- I actually believed that by being a better person, and not assuming the worst about somebody, would help mold other HubPage hubbers, to being better people. Oh my, was that a stupid idea! The one thing I've learned about the HubPages' Community Forums is that, if you are 100% right about something, you are most certainly irreversibly wrong! Why or how that is, I cannot explain. It is beyond my abilities to explain some of the sheer stupidity that goes on here at HubPages. I have personally read a lot of different hubs about HubPages, but found most of them to be of no help. There are a few exceptions to that rule, like Rik Ravado hub about HubPage terminology. However, back to my own personal wrangles, many times what started as a good intention, has been quickly thrown back into my face. Just like a guilty verdict is handed down to a terrorist or known rapist. My first experience felt like a sting; but, very quickly over time those stings soonturned into OUCHES! Have you had an experience like this here on HubPages or in some other chat room?

Kill Joy.....

Well let me tell, since I've been here on HubPages, the forum community has continually been getting worse. Why just the other day, I was called a "kill joy" by an Atheist hubber, because I wasn't bashing them for not being Christians. To quote them exactly, the fellow HubPage hubber said, "IE is such a kill joy." Okay? I guess in the context, of what these forums have turned into lately, I should take that as a compliment. My experience, thus far in the HubPage forum, has been nothing but a humbling and humiliating lesson or nightmare.

How it all began for me.......

When I first started out here on HubPages, I wanted to blame my confrontations on people being ignorant to a subject line, or their narrow-minded way of thinking. [At times I still do.] There are simply many hubbers participating in the HubPage forum community, that we all must admit, are dumb as a box of rocks buried somewhere on Mars. Dumb, dumb, dumb...

However, this is not a good excuse for my own bad behavior early in my HubPage career. Let me share some of my initial thoughts, about my own behavior in the forums. I bet, some of you are sure to recognize them, maybe in your own self as well.

My thoughts were:

How could I be at fault in this discussion? [whatever the discussion was at the time, that was soured] Especially since, I am spreading the message of enlightenment and peace? Early in my HubPage career, I was famous for that one.

How could I be at fault or wrong period?

How am I at fault when someone didn't like it?

How am I wrong if someone else let my words hurt them. I have no control over that. They are just words.

How am I wrong because they took my message offensively?

Why?

How?

REPORT![Oh the never ending madness of the HubPage forums!]

This is what I figured. I figured that because I wAs a Christian, I was faithly spreading the good news of Christ. Because I wAs an Obama supporter, I was spreading the good news of the Democratic Party. Because I wAs an Educator, I was participating in the radical idea of educating people by calling them ignorant. I would write, "You are ignorant!"

Nah...., you was I kidding? What's NOT offensive about that?


Then the light bulb was turned on.....?

One day, when I realize that everyone hated me here on HubPages, I started to ask myself some serious questions.

Questions like; was I asking too much of my fellow HubPage hubbers to be more compliant, after I purposely insulted them?

There was a thought!

Was I; the one being ignorant to the possible fact that I could be wrong or rebuked. Was I blinded by the possibilities of spreading peace, that I forgot I might be pounding it down someones' throat?

I mean, come on here, I had a rock solid idea, with rock solid commitment to back it up with.

How can a person with such commitment at being a faithful Christian, as I had, be an "insulting, overly aggressive, hypocrite?" Me? That couldn't have been me. Are kidding me?

I actually thought the entire HubPage community Feb. of 2009, had lost their minds!

One day, I quietly started to think to myself, "Am I really that insulting?"

"Was I being hypocritical, and aggressive towards my fellow hubbers?" I thought.

Lets Tango......!

Well folks; if you plan to tango with the masses, you had better have a clear understanding of not only yourself, but who are "the masses" in which you are writing too. Did I mention that my approach was wrong? Instead of promoting a new way to understanding, I promoted crap. In my quest for peace, I started a war. In my attempt to display my dry sense of humor, I came off as only being spiteful and mean. I forgot the basic principle of debating, and instead went about attacking people who couldn't see what I was trying to say. Like it wasn't my fault or something; but, it is and was. I was sitting here writing about ways to be Christ-like and enlightened. When actually, I was acting and sounding like a hypocritical baboon, who didn't have a clue to what she was saying. I simply fell through the crack of my best intention. My favorite teacher, Lama Surya Das wrote, "Instead of wandering around in this dangerous jungle seeking a woman and some money, wouldn't it be far better to seek your true self". He was quoting Gautama, the sage Buddha, better known as Buddha. See it is like this, back then when people went around preaching this or that, looking for glory or paving a new way; Buddha would ask that rhetorical question- "wouldn't it be far better to seek you true self?" How could I have failed so miserably???

The lesson I learned in that debacle, was that maybe I was too bitter and cynical about everything. I certainly was not spreading the message of peace. Since my humble beginnings here at HubPages as jgrimes, I have really tried to work on that since I opened this IntimatEvolution account. Now you know the humble beginnings to my HubPage name. I have to credit Sufidreamer for making me realize that I was an angry person inside, and just did not know it. I am still reflecting on that. I love both those hubbers to death! XO

I also realized that at times, I was the hypocrite! There were other times, I remembered that it didn't take me long to discover, the only ignorant one in the forums that day, was me. I was the one making all that fussy mess. How else could I explain my narrow-minded perspectives? It is really hard people, to take a good honest look at ones own behavior and realize that YOU were being the nasty little culprit.

As with all life lessons, a person has to have the integrity to look to themselves when something terrible has gone on. A person must have the fortitude to take criticism for what it is; a study lesson and not for what it appears. If someone says your writings are weak. Well they must be weak. Only you can change the style in which you write and only you can make it possible for people to understand. I am learning that I have a lot to learn. With that admission, I have opened my heart and mind, and have begun to find a damn reason for expressing truth, criticism, and educational possibilities- before I state it. I just don't state something anymore, for the sake of picking on someone. I have a goal for a peaceful world too. I still have grand ideas of helping people become more understanding and compassionate. That means nothing if I cannot dance the dance, among the masses I'm trying to chat too.

You know, participating in the HubPage forums can be exactly like a third grade class at recess. However, we are all adults here on HubPages. Since we are no longer school children, for most adults who like to tumble down the road of stupidity in the HubPage community forums, I challenge you to take a hike up the mountain to the path of enlightenment. Try working on something different, than constantly banging you ideas down people throats, just to petty. Don't forget to constantly work on yourself and practice what you preach. It is still something I have to work on myself, almost everyday.

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Peter Dickinson profile image

Peter Dickinson Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

A very interesting take on things and I do sympathise. Though not in hubpages forums I have suffered similar, including threats of violence and abuse as well invented lies about my personal characteristics and way of life. It has caused me to reread what I have written several times over. Would I say the same again? Yes, because it is what I believe.

You are a Christian. I most definitely am not but I defend your right to say and express your opinion even if I do not agree. Hang in there ;-) Stay with it.

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aguasilver Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

Hi IE,

Good hub, honesty always will triumph and like you I have learned from my forum experiences, it's a tough place, but somehow irresistible!

John

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ivori 2 years ago

Interesting hub. Personal beliefs or non-beliefs can create an egg-shell surface - everyone thinks they're right.

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OpinionDuck 2 years ago

You have a large goal and I don't envy the burden that you chose for your hubbing.

All I can say is that the thinking and opinions of the masses has brought us to where we are today.

Does that work for you?

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IntimatEvolution Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Peter, Aqua, Ivori and Duck! Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to read this hub. You know the ironic thing about this hub, is that I wrote it in Feb. 2009 and had it published on my website, www.onebrowncowcompany.com/jamBlog1/. After spending sometime in the forums these days, I thought maybe it was high time that I shared it with my fellow hubbers, in hopes it would do some good for the community. I'm glad to see that it is making people respond and think.

Always grateful, Julie

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Petra Vlah Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Thank you for this hub; we can all learn from it

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Dao Hoa 2 years ago

Well! People on Hubpages come from around the world. There are deffinitely be differences.

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Sufidreamer Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Hi IE - Glad that I stumbled across this one. Those were certainly the days and we did have some fun, too.

Thanks for the mention and I love you to bits, as well - glad that you came back and decided to stick around :)

I try to avoid the idiots in the forums - some of them are a lost cause!

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AEvans Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

If someone dislikes you shame on them! You certainly did not promote garbage so don't be so hard on yourself. Yes some of the threads in the forums can be vicious but I have learned to ignore them, sometimes I read them and have a great laugh and jump into on I enjoy. I will rescue others in need when they are being bashed and others have came to my rescue when the piranhas started to beat me down but I held my ground! You are an asset to our community just like so many others never allow a handful to still your joy. You are definitely not a kill joy and you as a person are absolutely entitled to your opinion. If you ever need help over there you just let me know, I will knock them on there noggings diplomatically of course. :)

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IntimatEvolution Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Sufi like I said you are the best! And, thank you AEvans for your great show of support.

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Eileen Hughes Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Yes , well I think we all say too much some times I have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth yapping before I think.

Although I am starting to think more thesedays.

I have to admit that I do not like the way people ridicule others. If we cannot be thoughtful with comments then why bother being awful. In actual fact I believe the ones that make harmful comments should just be treated with the contempt that is given to us. I did write an article about the forum myself. Just to try and help the newbies from being scared off.

Thanks for sharing this.

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bonny2010 2 years ago

must admit I must come across as a real jerk in the forums as I try to make a tense debate light and some people don't like it ,I keep telling myself thats just me anyway I really liked your hub you write a great yarn

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Marisa Wright Level 5 Commenter 2 years ago

I read your piece on your blog as well, and I find it very interesting that you refer to being "on HubPages" as if that phrase refers primarily to being on the HubPages forums.

I've noticed this trend recently, especially in people who get upset on the forums and therefore feel the need to leave - and who see it as necessary to also delete all their Hubs.

HubPages is about writing Hubs. The forums are intended a place where Hubbers, who spend most of their time in solitary writing, can congregate and socialise. For some people, those priorities seem to have become reversed.

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mydetective 2 years ago

Excellent post!

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IntimatEvolution Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello everyone- Thank you for commenting on this hub. I know that each experience is different from one hubber, to the next. However still, as long as you can grow from that experience, it's all worth it in the end. Yes?

Have a great week.

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no body Level 5 Commenter 2 years ago

You know it takes a person noble and true to realize a mistake and not make allowance for it. I respect you for that. I know you have only shown friendship for me and the things I write. I appreciate you so much. Your friend. Bob.

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Pandoras Box 21 months ago

I gotta say, IE, I hope I don't forget tomorrow what I read tonight. You're right. I don't always have to state my opinions. There isn't always a reason to be a witch about things. Sometimes, I too could turn the other cheek. I mean, jeepers, at least some of the time, right?

Really good hub, I totally respect the honesty and humility and the desire to do right and not just be right that you've exhibited in this hub, and in fact, as long as I have had the pleasure of your acquaintance.

So I guess you accomplished what you set out to accomplish in yourself. I've only ever once seen you involved in any incident, and you handled it very patiently I thought. (Frankly, I think that other girl was psycho.)

I probably shouldn't have said that. Oh hell, I'll start trying to be nice in the morning!

I saw some of your hubs listed on redgage that I know I want to read. It looks like you have a very interesting collection, and I wish I wasn't the type who always forgets to 'friend' people, perhaps literally and figuratively. I knew you must be an interesting chick, but I never took the time.

I really look forward to reading more of your hubs, and I'm gonna make myself a message for my bulletin board, inspired by your hub here. "Is there a good reason for saying that?"

Thank you, sincerely. I hate that people think of me as contentious. No, what I hate is wondering if they're right. Really good hub. Maybe it should be required reading for everybody before they enter the forums, lol.

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IntimatEvolution Hub Author 21 months ago

Thank you Pandoras Box. Thank you very kindly for the sweet comment, and for taking the time to submit a comment. It is greatly appreciated. I hope you enjoy what you read, and I look forward to reading more of your work as well. Cheers- Julie

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equealla 21 months ago

I thoroughly enjoyed the read. How I came to your article? I do not know. Perhaps inner guidance. Untill now I felt HubPages was the best place on earth.

Then I made a comment, just a normal comment. One single word was grabbed, with no relation to the topic, nor my discussion, and I was given a nose bleed with it. Geeesh, that was unexpected, as I have found thus far only nice people who likes a normal conversation, sharing ideas and thoughts.

With this guy, I just walked away. Like you said, some people are not to be "having a conversation with". They will turn anything into a fight. I find it a waste of time. There are tonnes of good articles, like this one, that I can spend my time on. This one I rate up, for sure!

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Arthur Fontes 20 months ago

As I am serving my third forum ban (four weeks ahhh!!!). your hub has definitely given me some things to think about.

I know there are hubbers that are untouchable when it comes to moderation. I need to act with integrity and stop responding to the obvious attacks.

Although I must say I have always enjoyed engaging in conversations with you. Thanks for sharing your insights and experience.

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IntimatEvolution Hub Author 20 months ago

I hate it in there. I think hubbers like Earnesthub and their hate filled rhetoric are such a ridiculous joke. But for some reason, hubbers like them get immunity while other hubbers get banned. It's not worth it. I was just in there, and its the same old crap. I'm heading over to BlogCatalog, talk a about a forum worth participating in. You should try it! Snipsly has a forum too.

However, everytime I get ban in the forums I gain about 10 fans. I don't think I'm the only one who feels the way I do. Take today for instance, since bashing with Earnst and Beezie I have gained five fans in 18 hours. So its good for business!

I love what you write, and bring to the table. Your one of the best we have Arthur!

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TimArends 17 months ago

What is the difference between a "sting" and an "ouch," and how is a box of rocks buried on Mars dumber than one buried on Earth?

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IntimatEvolution Hub Author 17 months ago

Precisely.

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